Individually Owned: 150,657
Corporate Owned: 137,281
Detroit City Airport
Aircraft Accident/Incident Report
Detroit, Michigan 48213
Saturday, November 7, 1987 12:41 EST
NTSB Narrative Summary Released at Completion of Accident
THE PLT OF NORTH AMERICAN P-51D, N6341T, WAS SOUTHBOUND ON TWY ALPHA AS THE PLT OF PIPER PA-28 CHEROKEE, N8253E, TAXIED FROM THE RUN-UP AREA TO THE HOLD LINE FOR RWY 33, WHICH WAS NEAR THE INTXN OF TWYS ALPHA & INDIA. THE PLT OF THE TAIL- WHEEL EQUIPPED P-51 WAS S-TURNING AS HE TAXIED TO CLEAR THE AREA AHEAD. HOWEVER, WHILE CROSSING THE INTXN OF TWYS ALPHA & INDIA IN A LEFT S-TURN, HIS RGT WING STRUCK THE EMPENNAGE OF THE PA-28. THE PA-28 WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DMGD WHILE THE P-51 RCVD MINOR DAMAGE. THE PA-28 PLT SAID HE HAD CONTACTED GND CTL BEFORE TAXIING FROM THE RUN-UP AREA TO THE HOLD LINE, THEN HAD CHANGED TO TOWER FREQ. HOWEVER, HE HAD DELAYED CONTACTING THE TOWER DUE TO RADIO CONGESTION ON THAT FREQ.THE P-51 PLT STATED THAT FROM A DISTANCE, HE SAW ANOTHER ACFT MOVING WEST ACROSS HIS PATH, BUT HE DID NOT RECEIVE AN ADZY OF THE CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE PA-28. A CHECK OF THE TOWER TAPE REVEALED THE GND CTLR HAD TRANSMITTED TO THE P-51 PLT 'CAUTION FOR CHEROKEE AHEAD AND TO YOUR RIGHT.'
NTSB Probable Cause Narrative
Not Yet Reported
Event Information
| Type of Event | Accident |
| Event Date | 11/7/1987 |
| Event Day of the Week | Saturday |
| Time of Event | 1241 |
| Event Time Zone | Eastern Standard Time |
| Event City | DETROIT |
| Event State | MICHIGAN |
| Event Country | -- |
| Zipcode of the event site | 48213 |
| Event Date Year | 1987 |
| Event Date Month | 11 |
| MidAir Collision Indicator | No |
| On Ground Collision occurred ? | Yes |
| Event Location Latitude | |
| Event Location Longitude | |
| Event Location Airport | DETROIT CITY |
| Event Location Nearest Airport ID | DET |
| Indicates whether the acc/inc occurred off or on an airport | On Airport |
| Distance from airport in statute miles | 0 |
| Degrees magnetic from airport | 0 |
| Airport Elevation | 626 |
| Weather Briefing Completeness | Unknown |
| Investigator's weather source | Weather Observation Facility |
| Time of the weather observation | 1242 Eastern Standard Time |
| Direction of event from weather observation facility (degrees) | 90 |
| Weather Observation Facility ID | DET |
| Elevation of weather observation facility | 626 |
| Distance of event from weather observation facility (units?) | 0 |
| Time Zone of the weather observation | EST |
| Lighting Conditions | Day |
| Lowest Ceiling Height | 0 |
| Lowest Non-Ceiling Height | 30000 |
| Sky/Lowest/Cloud Conditions | Scattered |
| Sky Condition for Lowest Ceiling | None |
| Visibility Runway Visual Range (Feet) | 0 |
| Visibility Runway Visual Value (Statute Miles) | 0 |
| Visibility (Statute Miles) | 15 |
| Air Temperature at event time (in degrees celsius) | 12 |
| Dew Point at event time (in degress fahrenheit) | 1 |
| Wind Direction (degrees magnetic) | 0 |
| Variable Wind Indicator | Unknown |
| Wind Speed (knots) | 0 |
| Wind Velocity Indicator | Calm |
| Wind Gust Indicator | Not Gusting |
| Wind Gust (knots) | 0 |
| Altimeter Setting at event time (in. Hg) | 30 |
| Density Altitude (feet) | 0 |
| Intensity of Precipitation | Unknown |
| METAR weather report | -- |
| Event Highest Injury | None |
| On Ground, Fatal Injuries | 0 |
| On Ground, Minor Injuries | 0 |
| On Ground, Serious Injuries | 0 |
| Injury Total Fatal | -- |
| Injury Total Minor | -- |
| Injury Total None | 5 |
| Injury Total Serious | -- |
| Injury Total All | -- |
| Investigating Agency | NTSB |
| NTSB Docket Number (internal use) | 1699 |
| NTSB Notification Source | -- |
| NTSB Notification Date | Nov 7 1987 12:00AM |
| NTSB Notification Time | 2200 |
| Fiche Number and/or location -used to find docket information | 35032 |
| Date of most recent change to record | Apr 7 2001 12:43PM |
| User who most recently changed record | dbo |
| Basic weather conditions | Visual Meteorological Cond |
| FAA District Office | -- |
Aircraft Involved |
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|---|---|---|
Aircraft #1 |
Aircraft #2 |
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| Aircraft Registration Number | N8253E | N6341T |
| NTSB Number | CHI88LA021A | CHI88LA021B |
| Missing Aircraft Indicator | N | N |
| Federal Aviation Reg. Part | Part 91: General Aviation | Part 91: General Aviation |
| Type of Flight Plan filed | None | None |
| Flight plan Was Activated? | -- | -- |
| Damage | Substantial | Minor |
| Aircraft Fire | None | None |
| Aircraft Explosion | None | None |
| Aircraft Manufacturer's Full Name | PIPER | NORTH AMERICAN |
| Aircraft Model | PA-28-161 | P-51D |
| Aircraft Series Identifier | PA-28-161 | P-51D |
| Aircraft Serial Number | 28-8216183 | 44-74774 |
| Certified Max Gross Weight | 2200 | 8157 |
| Aircraft Category | Airplane | Airplane |
| Aircraft Registration Class | U.S. Registered/U.S. Soil | U.S. Registered/U.S. Soil |
| Aircraft is a homebuilt? | No | No |
| Flight Crew Seats | -- | -- |
| Cabin Crew Seats | -- | -- |
| Passenger Seats | -- | -- |
| Total number of seats on the aircraft | 4 | 1 |
| Number of Engines | 1 | 1 |
| Fixed gear or retractable gear | Fixed | Retractable |
| Aircraft, Type of Last Inspection | 100 Hour | Annual |
| Date of Last Inspection | Oct 16 1987 12:00AM | Jul 15 1987 12:00AM |
| Airframe hours since last inspection | 50 | -- |
| Airframe Hours | 3367 | 2503 |
| ELT Installed | Yes | Yes |
| ELT Activated | No | No |
| ELT Aided Location of Event Site | No | No |
| ELT Type | -- | -- |
| Aircraft Owner Name | OLSEN FLIGHT SERVICE | ROBERT F. BYRNE |
| Aircraft Owner Street Address | 11499 CONNER RM. 114 | 1115 IVY GLEN |
| Aircraft Owner City | DETROIT | BROOMFIELD HILL |
| Aircraft Owner State | MI | MI |
| Aircraft Owner Country | ||
| Aircraft Owner Zipcode | 48013 | |
| Operator is an individual? | -- | -- |
| Operator Name | ||
| Operator Same as Owner? | Yes | Yes |
| Operator Is Doing Business As | -- | -- |
| Operator Address Same as Owner? | Yes | Yes |
| Operator Street Address | ||
| Operator City | ||
| Operator State | ||
| Operator Country | ||
| Operator Zip code | ||
| Operator Code | ||
| Owner has at least one certificate | None | None |
| Other Operator of large aircraft? | No | No |
| Certified for Part 133 or 137 Operation | Unknown | Unknown |
| Operator Certificate Number | -- | -- |
| Indicates whether an air carrier operation was scheduled or not | -- | -- |
| Indicates Domestic or International Flight | -- | -- |
| Operator carrying Pax/Cargo/Mail | -- | -- |
| Type of Flying (Per_Bus / Primary) | Personal | Business |
| Second Pilot on Board | No | No |
| Departure Point Same as Event | Yes | Yes |
| Departure Airport Code | DET | DET |
| Departure City | ||
| Departure State | ||
| Departure Country | ||
| Departure Time | 1240 | 0 |
| Departure Time Zone | EST | |
| Destination Same as Local Flt | dest & departure same, accident can occur anywhere | dest & departure same, accident can occur anywhere |
| Destination Airport Code | DET | |
| Destination City | ||
| Destination State | ||
| Destination Country | ||
| Specific Phase of Flight | Standing | Taxi |
| Report sent to ICAO? | -- | -- |
| Evacuation occurred | -- | -- |
| Date of most recent change to record | Jan 2 2001 10:35AM | Jan 2 2001 10:35AM |
| User who most recently changed record | dbo | dbo |
| Since inspection or accident | -- | -- |
| Event Location Runway Number and Location | 33 | 33 |
| Runway Length | 5090 | 5090 |
| Runway Width | 100 | 100 |
| Sight Seeing flight | No | No |
| Air Medical Flight | No | No |
| Medical Flight | -- | -- |