Pensacol Airport
Aircraft Accident/Incident Report

Pensacola, Florida 32502
Friday, September 6, 1985 20:05 CDT

NTSB Narrative Summary Released at Completion of Accident

THE COMMERCIAL PLT & CFI DEPARTED FROM GULFPORT, MS ON A NIGHT VFR X-COUNTRY FLT TO GULF SHORES. AL. THE FLT LANDED AT FOLEY, AL AFTER THE PLT MISTOOK FOLEY FOR GULFSHORES 10 MI SOUTH. THE FLT DEPARTED AGAIN & WAS ADVISED BY ATC TO FLY A HEADING OF 170 DEG FOR GULFSHORES. CONTACT BETWEEN THE FLT & ATC WAS THEN TERMINATED DUE TO DISTANCE & ALT CONSIDERATION. THE PLT THEN OBSERVED THE LIGHTS OF OTHER ACFT EAST OF HIM & ASSUMED THEM TO BE IN THE TOUCH & GO PATTERN AT GULFSHORES. THE LIGHTS HE HAD OBSERVED WERE THOSE OF NAVY JET TRAINING A POSITION. THE NAVY ACFT WERE EXECUTING LEFT TRAFFIC BUT THE CIVIL PLT ENTERED INTO RT TRAFFIC & SEQUENCECD HIMSELF BETWEEN THE ACFT ON FINAL APCH. THE FASTER JET ACFT OVERTOOK THE CIVIL & A MIDAIR COLLISION OCCURRED. BOTH ACFT LANDED SAFELY & THERE WERE NO INJURES. THE CIVIL PLT STATED THAT HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO DISTINGUISH A CIVIL ARPT BEACON FROM A MILTARY ARPT BEACON.

NTSB Probable Cause Narrative

Not Yet Reported

Event Information

Type of Event Accident
Event Date 9/6/1985
Event Day of the Week Friday
Time of Event 2005
Event Time Zone Central Daylight Time
Event City PENSACOLA
Event State FLORIDA
Event Country --
Zipcode of the event site 32502
Event Date Year 1985
Event Date Month 9
MidAir Collision Indicator Yes
On Ground Collision occurred ? No
Event Location Latitude
Event Location Longitude
Event Location Airport PENSACOL
Event Location Nearest Airport ID NPA
Indicates whether the acc/inc occurred off or on an airport Off Airport/Airstrip
Distance from airport in statute miles 1
Degrees magnetic from airport 70
Airport Elevation 16
Weather Briefing Completeness Unknown
Investigator's weather source Weather Observation Facility
Time of the weather observation 2010 Central Daylight Time
Direction of event from weather observation facility (degrees) 250
Weather Observation Facility ID NPA
Elevation of weather observation facility 30
Distance of event from weather observation facility (units?) 1
Time Zone of the weather observation CDT
Lighting Conditions Night/Dark
Lowest Ceiling Height 0
Lowest Non-Ceiling Height 2000
Sky/Lowest/Cloud Conditions Scattered
Sky Condition for Lowest Ceiling None
Visibility Runway Visual Range (Feet) 0
Visibility Runway Visual Value (Statute Miles) 0
Visibility (Statute Miles) 7
Air Temperature at event time (in degrees celsius) 27
Dew Point at event time (in degress fahrenheit) 23
Wind Direction (degrees magnetic) 270
Variable Wind Indicator Unknown
Wind Speed (knots) 4
Wind Velocity Indicator Unknown
Wind Gust Indicator Not Gusting
Wind Gust (knots) 0
Altimeter Setting at event time (in. Hg) 30
Density Altitude (feet) --
Intensity of Precipitation Unknown
METAR weather report --
Event Highest Injury None
On Ground, Fatal Injuries 0
On Ground, Minor Injuries 0
On Ground, Serious Injuries 0
Injury Total Fatal --
Injury Total Minor --
Injury Total None 3
Injury Total Serious --
Injury Total All --
Investigating Agency NTSB
NTSB Docket Number (internal use) 1988
NTSB Notification Source --
NTSB Notification Date Sep 6 1985 12:00AM
NTSB Notification Time 2305
Fiche Number and/or location -used to find docket information
Date of most recent change to record Jan 2 2001 9:15AM
User who most recently changed record dbo
Basic weather conditions Visual Meteorological Cond
FAA District Office --

Aircraft Involved

Aircraft #1

Aircraft #2

Aircraft Registration Number N6177K USN
NTSB Number MIA85FA247A MIA85FA247B
Missing Aircraft Indicator N N
Federal Aviation Reg. Part Part 91: General Aviation Armed Forces
Type of Flight Plan filed None None
Flight plan Was Activated? -- --
Damage Substantial Minor
Aircraft Fire None None
Aircraft Explosion None None
Aircraft Manufacturer's Full Name CESSNA NORTH AMERICAN
Aircraft Model 150 T-2C
Aircraft Series Identifier 150 T-2C
Aircraft Serial Number 15077572 158876
Certified Max Gross Weight 1600 13179
Aircraft Category Airplane Airplane
Aircraft Registration Class U.S. Registered/U.S. Soil Military
Aircraft is a homebuilt? No No
Flight Crew Seats -- --
Cabin Crew Seats -- --
Passenger Seats -- --
Total number of seats on the aircraft 2 2
Number of Engines 1 2
Fixed gear or retractable gear Fixed Retractable
Aircraft, Type of Last Inspection Annual Unknown
Date of Last Inspection Sep 4 1985 12:00AM May 5 1985 12:00AM
Airframe hours since last inspection 3 137
Airframe Hours 2515 4670
ELT Installed No Yes
ELT Activated Unknown Unknown
ELT Aided Location of Event Site Unknown Unknown
ELT Type -- --
Aircraft Owner Name PERSONAL AIRCRAFT SERVICE INC. U.S. NAVY
Aircraft Owner Street Address 2108 TENTH STREET
Aircraft Owner City SLIDELL
Aircraft Owner State LA
Aircraft Owner Country
Aircraft Owner Zipcode 70458
Operator is an individual? -- --
Operator Name JOHN L.GRIFFIN,JR. ENSIGN ROBERT J. WINDAS
Operator Same as Owner? No No
Operator Is Doing Business As -- --
Operator Address Same as Owner? No No
Operator Street Address 1738 GAYLORD DR. 3331 SUMMIT BLVE #87
Operator City BOGALUSA PENSACOLA
Operator State LA FL
Operator Country
Operator Zip code 70427 32503
Operator Code
Owner has at least one certificate None None
Other Operator of large aircraft? No No
Certified for Part 133 or 137 Operation Unknown Unknown
Operator Certificate Number -- --
Indicates whether an air carrier operation was scheduled or not -- Unknown
Indicates Domestic or International Flight -- Unknown
Operator carrying Pax/Cargo/Mail -- Unknown
Type of Flying (Per_Bus / Primary) Personal Unknown
Second Pilot on Board No No
Departure Point Same as Event No No
Departure Airport Code 5R4 NPA
Departure City FOLEY PENSACOLA
Departure State AL FL
Departure Country
Departure Time 0 0
Departure Time Zone
Destination Same as Local Flt -- crash at destination city
Destination Airport Code AL15
Destination City GULF SHORES
Destination State AL
Destination Country
Specific Phase of Flight Approach Approach
Report sent to ICAO? -- --
Evacuation occurred -- --
Date of most recent change to record Jan 2 2001 10:36AM Oct 22 2001 3:26PM
User who most recently changed record dbo dbo
Since inspection or accident -- --
Event Location Runway Number and Location 25R 25R
Runway Length 8000 8000
Runway Width 200 200
Sight Seeing flight No No
Air Medical Flight No No
Medical Flight -- --